tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190224356229156559.post3031738570582624985..comments2024-03-27T03:24:13.132-04:00Comments on Under the Sun: Conservatives and Progressives on Identity and Rightsglennsunshinehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15663153768917258582noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190224356229156559.post-87401674781983638452012-08-29T10:46:26.249-04:002012-08-29T10:46:26.249-04:00If you don't know who you are, it's unlike...If you don't know who you are, it's unlikely that you have any business running the country - from the Presidency or the Congress or the Supreme Court.<br /><br />These people in political parties appear to have identity confusion all along the human spectrum as it affects and influences government and government policies, and laws.Pathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00863234038530540216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190224356229156559.post-57202242857378568952012-05-27T17:08:04.974-04:002012-05-27T17:08:04.974-04:00Let’s take these in order, shall we?
I don’t know...Let’s take these in order, shall we?<br /><br />I don’t know anyone, conservative or progressive, that argues that the guilty should get away with crimes because they can hire expensive lawyers. Further, the use of high priced lawyers is not unique among conservatives—limousine liberals do that routinely as well, so I’m not sure what you’re complaining about here.<br /><br />Jefferson was not a progressive in the modern sense of the word. He distrusted the federal government, supported states rights, etc. These are causes of the modern conservative. So I’m sorry, your argument seems rather weak on this point.<br /><br />You do have a better case for Lincoln in some ways, though he did suspend habeas corpus (which dates to English Common Law, by the way, not to “progressives”). But he was a Republican, and if you’re going to associate present figures with the past in the anachronistic way you’ve chosen to do so, then you should properly credit the Republicans for emancipation. Somehow, I don’t think you want to do that. Historical parallels are a bit of a problem, aren’t they?<br /><br />I haven’t seen any affirmative action programs that establish quotas for veterans or people with disabilities. I have seen them for racial minorities. Veterans are given preferences in some arenas as a form of compensation for services rendered. I don’t see that as a problem. Disabilities legislation focuses on non-discrimination (which a conservative would champion) and on appropriate accommodation so as not to de facto discriminate against them. Again, that’s a bit of a different category from affirmative action.<br /><br />By the way, do you support the right to abort children because they have disabilities, as is current practice?<br /><br />Concerning Citizens United, once a progressive (IIRC) court defined campaign spending as speech, the first amendment applies. Political speech is protected speech, and anyone or any entity that has the ability to give out messages has a right to do that unfettered by the government. Unless you don’t like the first amendment, I don’t see how you can get around that logically.<br /><br />Concerning the rights supported by progressives, I agree with you there. I would refer you to Michael Novak’s Three-Legged Stool for an explanation.glennsunshinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15663153768917258582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6190224356229156559.post-13093179557834220752012-05-27T15:02:11.816-04:002012-05-27T15:02:11.816-04:00"Thus equal protection under law is a vitally..."Thus equal protection under law is a vitally important principle to the true conservative."<br /><br />Except if the person violating the law is rich, and buys the best attorneys to get him off scot-free<br /><br />"In the language of the Declaration of Independence, we are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights"<br /><br />Interestingly enough, written by a progressive. Your case is weaker by the minute.<br /><br />"affirmative action laws say that members of protected groups have to be given special consideration in hiring or admissions to school."<br /><br />Veterans are one such "protected group" as are those with disabilities. I again disagree with you here and fully support special considerations for them.<br /><br />Progressives have been champions for the individual, pushing for Miranda Rights, Habeus-Corpus, child labor laws, workplace safety laws, and many others.<br /><br />Conservative beliefs at one time in this country backed the owning of slaves. It was radical progressives like Lincoln that helped rid us of that horrible abuse of individuals.<br /><br />And the Citizens United ruling more recently made a mockery of the alleged conservative support of individuals by granting corporations the same rights.<br /><br />You seem to be looking at this issue through a highly selective straw. It would behoove you to take in the entire picture, which I chose to do when I no longer aligned myself with either political party. I couldn't be happier or freer...Supporters of The Great Simplificationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05303808782747016380noreply@blogger.com